Nadene Goldfoot
We tell the joke about the 2 Jews who find themselves stranded on a tiny island, and they build themselves 3 synagogues. One for each and the other is the one neither one would attend. It shows we are a stubborn people with our own minds and we do not follow very well. We are individualistic.
Ben Gurion had gone into a restaurant and was told that before he entered he had to put on a tie. They then told the manager that this was David Ben Gurion.
" Oh, sir, let me introduce you to the president of the United States, Harry S. Truman."
"How do you do"
"You are president of 47 million people? I am Prime Minister of of 600,000 Presidents."
In the midst of the threats coming out of Iran, that old ancient Persia updated is the fear of being liquidated through atomic warfare, perhaps with one single bomb like what happened to Hiroshima. In this extreme crisis, we have an internal struggle going on as well. The pressures on our government there are coming from the UN and mainly from the USA through them concerning the attacks from the Arabs in Gaza upon Israel, and their solution is to have peace talks. Evidently this is going to have to lead to giving in to all Arab demands as they won't even sit down at the table to talk unless this is all done first before the sitting commences. Again, the fear of losing Israel completely and being driven into the sea comes to mind. The Knesset is under such great pressure that they have already had new elections to the satisfaction of the USA's Hillary Clinton.
To add misery to all our surrus, the media is always against Israel, which in turn colors the attitude of all those who watch. Anti-Semitism is at a high all over the world, and Israel's position in it has done a 180 turnabout since 1967. The media is not the kettleful of truthful facts, either, but a hodgepodge of misinformation that is filling people's minds up so much that they don't even bother to find facts themselves. If they do, the source has to be invalid.
To add to our problems, we have the state of Israel divided between the Orthodox community and the rest. David Wilder calls it "Zionism or Toynbeeism. Like another old joke goes, a man is talking to two gentlemen and is trying to solve their disagreement. To each he says, "You have a point and you also have a point." I don't remember any ending. I don't think there is any. The Orthodox claim a valid point and so does the Knesset, who is the other side, the more secular one. Frankly, at this point in time I think their plate is over brimming with problems to deal with.
Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak HaKohen Kook, Israel's first chief Rabbi explained that Israel is not just any old piece of land we chose for a country. Israel has an intrinsic meaning connecting Jews with the knot of life and contains extraordinary qualities making the people and the land, these 2 halves, a whole. Toynbee thought of Jews and Judaism as an anachronism. In other words, we are out of place, an error. "The Zionist Jews are a fragment of a fossil of alien origin which has been embedded in the body of Western Christendom since its pre-natal days." He didn't think much of us at all. We are still here, however, and refer to ourselves as the Jewish people. Our holy cites are Jerusalem and Hebron.
We have a problem in that Arabs are copying us and saying that land is now their land, like Tel Hebron. Israeli leaders and their followers are helping people who say this without even checking for legal paperwork. They have helped force Jews off their homeland, destroy their homes to appease those bringing pressure down. We're talking about Jews forcing out Jews, basically in Judea and Samaria, not the IDF throwing out Palestinians.
Netanyahu has ordered the expulsion of Jews from the "Ulpana neighborhood in Beit El. It was in the Oregonian today as well. He said he was most unhappy to have to do so. He also ordered the same thing for the Machpela House in Hebron. This seems to have come about after Netanyahu, Barak and others were told they could be tried as war-criminals by the Hague should Jews continue to live in these places. That must be a part of the pressure they are under. The report had gone to Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein.
7 years ago Gush Katif was destroyed by Israelis. Jewish residents were expelled and the land abandoned to the Arabs. 30 some years ago Yamit and other Sinai communities were given up and its residents were expelled to appease the waiting Arab communities in the name of peace. We left Gaza lock, stock and barrel for the sake of peace and only got war in its place. If the Arabs had been smart, they would have done what the Egyptians did under Sadat and made peace at that time, but they've used Gaza as the place from which all rockets, missiles and mortars come from. I would say that was a test that failed completely.
Some feel that the next to go will be Gvat Assaf and then Migron. Barak only last week suggested abandoning all of Judea and Samaria. That's a horror as this is the place of our history, and it is most special to those who are religious. Every rock, every clod of dirt is precious to them. We've got an awful lot of Jews living there. Jews have given their lives and have waited for 2,000 years to return to their homeland, and now that they have returned, they are retching inside to have to give up the land others had shed blood over.
Mix all these problems presenting themselves with the fact that this time and place has been prophesied about in the Bible for both the Jews and the Christians with the Muslims adding their take on it as well. It is the in gathering of all Jews once again in Israel. This is not just an accident. It is awesome.
I personally don't see it so black and white. I think that the circumstances are that Israel cannot fight enemies and the rest of the world at the same time. They're all ganging up on this tiny tiny state. They are doing their best to maintain their Jewish values and ethics, keep their citizens alive and well, and be the fairest of all to their enemies. What's fair and righteous doesn't seem to work on this UN at all in standing up for Israel's rights. Being most of their block is made up of Israel's enemies in the first place, Israel's voice is lost to the winds. I'm not like Josephus calling for surrender. I'm just saying that the Knesset is bending in this Sharav while trying to keep its roots in the ground. It's waiting to be propped up by another force.
Reference: gerardrobins@sbcglobal.net: David Wilder 6/8/2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion
http://www.infoplease.com/year/1948.html
We tell the joke about the 2 Jews who find themselves stranded on a tiny island, and they build themselves 3 synagogues. One for each and the other is the one neither one would attend. It shows we are a stubborn people with our own minds and we do not follow very well. We are individualistic.
Ben Gurion had gone into a restaurant and was told that before he entered he had to put on a tie. They then told the manager that this was David Ben Gurion.
" Oh, sir, let me introduce you to the president of the United States, Harry S. Truman."
"How do you do"
"You are president of 47 million people? I am Prime Minister of of 600,000 Presidents."
In the midst of the threats coming out of Iran, that old ancient Persia updated is the fear of being liquidated through atomic warfare, perhaps with one single bomb like what happened to Hiroshima. In this extreme crisis, we have an internal struggle going on as well. The pressures on our government there are coming from the UN and mainly from the USA through them concerning the attacks from the Arabs in Gaza upon Israel, and their solution is to have peace talks. Evidently this is going to have to lead to giving in to all Arab demands as they won't even sit down at the table to talk unless this is all done first before the sitting commences. Again, the fear of losing Israel completely and being driven into the sea comes to mind. The Knesset is under such great pressure that they have already had new elections to the satisfaction of the USA's Hillary Clinton.
To add misery to all our surrus, the media is always against Israel, which in turn colors the attitude of all those who watch. Anti-Semitism is at a high all over the world, and Israel's position in it has done a 180 turnabout since 1967. The media is not the kettleful of truthful facts, either, but a hodgepodge of misinformation that is filling people's minds up so much that they don't even bother to find facts themselves. If they do, the source has to be invalid.
To add to our problems, we have the state of Israel divided between the Orthodox community and the rest. David Wilder calls it "Zionism or Toynbeeism. Like another old joke goes, a man is talking to two gentlemen and is trying to solve their disagreement. To each he says, "You have a point and you also have a point." I don't remember any ending. I don't think there is any. The Orthodox claim a valid point and so does the Knesset, who is the other side, the more secular one. Frankly, at this point in time I think their plate is over brimming with problems to deal with.
Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak HaKohen Kook, Israel's first chief Rabbi explained that Israel is not just any old piece of land we chose for a country. Israel has an intrinsic meaning connecting Jews with the knot of life and contains extraordinary qualities making the people and the land, these 2 halves, a whole. Toynbee thought of Jews and Judaism as an anachronism. In other words, we are out of place, an error. "The Zionist Jews are a fragment of a fossil of alien origin which has been embedded in the body of Western Christendom since its pre-natal days." He didn't think much of us at all. We are still here, however, and refer to ourselves as the Jewish people. Our holy cites are Jerusalem and Hebron.
We have a problem in that Arabs are copying us and saying that land is now their land, like Tel Hebron. Israeli leaders and their followers are helping people who say this without even checking for legal paperwork. They have helped force Jews off their homeland, destroy their homes to appease those bringing pressure down. We're talking about Jews forcing out Jews, basically in Judea and Samaria, not the IDF throwing out Palestinians.
Netanyahu has ordered the expulsion of Jews from the "Ulpana neighborhood in Beit El. It was in the Oregonian today as well. He said he was most unhappy to have to do so. He also ordered the same thing for the Machpela House in Hebron. This seems to have come about after Netanyahu, Barak and others were told they could be tried as war-criminals by the Hague should Jews continue to live in these places. That must be a part of the pressure they are under. The report had gone to Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein.
7 years ago Gush Katif was destroyed by Israelis. Jewish residents were expelled and the land abandoned to the Arabs. 30 some years ago Yamit and other Sinai communities were given up and its residents were expelled to appease the waiting Arab communities in the name of peace. We left Gaza lock, stock and barrel for the sake of peace and only got war in its place. If the Arabs had been smart, they would have done what the Egyptians did under Sadat and made peace at that time, but they've used Gaza as the place from which all rockets, missiles and mortars come from. I would say that was a test that failed completely.
Some feel that the next to go will be Gvat Assaf and then Migron. Barak only last week suggested abandoning all of Judea and Samaria. That's a horror as this is the place of our history, and it is most special to those who are religious. Every rock, every clod of dirt is precious to them. We've got an awful lot of Jews living there. Jews have given their lives and have waited for 2,000 years to return to their homeland, and now that they have returned, they are retching inside to have to give up the land others had shed blood over.
Mix all these problems presenting themselves with the fact that this time and place has been prophesied about in the Bible for both the Jews and the Christians with the Muslims adding their take on it as well. It is the in gathering of all Jews once again in Israel. This is not just an accident. It is awesome.
I personally don't see it so black and white. I think that the circumstances are that Israel cannot fight enemies and the rest of the world at the same time. They're all ganging up on this tiny tiny state. They are doing their best to maintain their Jewish values and ethics, keep their citizens alive and well, and be the fairest of all to their enemies. What's fair and righteous doesn't seem to work on this UN at all in standing up for Israel's rights. Being most of their block is made up of Israel's enemies in the first place, Israel's voice is lost to the winds. I'm not like Josephus calling for surrender. I'm just saying that the Knesset is bending in this Sharav while trying to keep its roots in the ground. It's waiting to be propped up by another force.
Reference: gerardrobins@sbcglobal.net: David Wilder 6/8/2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion
http://www.infoplease.com/year/1948.html
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